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Amanda Kennemore's avatar

Many people see this conflict within a different frame than you see it. Many people believe this is a war of aggression by NATO (neo liberal West) against Russia, wherein NATO is using the Ukraine people as a proxy or even a meat shield. In other words—viewed in this alternative narrative—soldiers from NATO countries aren’t dying to protect NATO’s interests, Ukrainians are dying in their place. Proxy wars are equally as effective and profitable as the overt kind, but with built-in plausible deniability. NATO countries need not take any accountability for their aggression because the blame is placed on Russia. I’m not going to argue for this point of view, I’m only saying that for people who see it this way, the moral outrage directed against Russia by the West falls flat.

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Fr. Gregory

Some time spent with the Roman Catholic philosopher Michael Hanby would be good, maybe starting with his essay "The Birth of the Liberal Order and the Death of God" (free online). Much could be said about your perspective here, but I will just note your (too easy) acceptance of Lockean Liberalism (well, at least a recent neo-liberal {i.e. "neo-conservative"} version of it) as the presupposition(s) to moral reasoning. Calling this "Christian" in any real sense is a stretch, and it certainly is not Orthodox historically unless you count the handful of late liberal thinkers in the west of the last 20 years or so.

I recall the many Orthodox who critiqued the 'Just War' theory in the build up to the second Gulf war - that neo-conservative moral imperative that turned out to be disastrous on so many levels, one of course being the broken bodies and souls of Christians (including Orthodox) who signed up and who still wonder the streets of my city today. The real spiritual, moral, and physical cost of the neo-liberal American Empire is simply too high. Christians, particularly Orthodox Christians have every reason to question and reject (to the small extent they can ) the project.

Sure, no doubt some Orthodox are really being taken in by the naked propaganda of Putin and the Russian Church. Thing is all propaganda is couched in some amount of truth - that's why it resonates. They speak the truth when they point out the moral decadence (i.e. consumerism, homosexualism, transhumanism, DEI, etc. etc.) of liberal western culture. Russiophiles who swallow this up are an insignificant number, and besides their (moral, spiritual, political) instincts are correct - why should they support (through their vote) decadent American Empire? Your moral analysis does not withstand cross examination. So called "populaism" is a necessary corrective to the moral failings of neoconservative - moral failings you don't seem to admit. As Hanby argues, these are at bottom "metaphysical" failings, the lack of anything genuinely "Christian" in Neo-conservativism/liberalism.

"Great Moral Evil's" are found everywhere and at all times. One does not need to "support" Russia's invasion to question the moral and pragmatic grounds for the American Empire's current proxy war against Russia in Ukraine. My moral duty as an Orthodox Christian does not require me to support yet-another Neo-conservative crusade - not in Ukraine, not in Europe, not in Tawain, not in Middle East, not in Africa, nor the moon or mars. Christs Kingdom is not of this world (cosmos)...

Christopher

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